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We are Americans! I would like to think that means something.
We are the guys who respond to a hurting world, tsunamis, Floods, Mudslides, the Displace and homeless and those dying for clean drinking water. Yes it takes a lot to be a American and it also costs too.
In lives, people, power, and money. Sometimes it it hard to see that maybe it is our turn to look after ourselves. We need to rebuild this nation, we can not afford to be the worlds police force, at least not alone, other nations must do their share also. I do not believe we need a High speed rail system at this time. I do believe that the country may be better serve in understanding that a grave mistake has been made, and has been haunting us since, President Regan, just a week after he was shot by a mentally disturbed person, thought it would be a great idea to close the State Hospitals, (This was done really to balance the budget-His bad!) Kicking mentally ill people to the curb, was not only a bad idea but has had severe consequences for all of us. Taking care of those who can not take care of themselves is a good thing, it provides not only jobs, but it ensures that those who cannot take care of themselves are looked after, have a safe place to live, a roof over their heads food to eat and stay out of the judicial system, which is not now nor never meant to take care of those who while society may see them as criminals as actually sick and need help.
Whether it's a short term visit or a on going out patient who may require close monitoring, I believe that we have a moral obligation, to those less fortunate then us, they need our help and ignoring them should now be obvious to everyone, is not a option, society can no longing afford. Because when we ignore those in mental anguish, they find themselves against a wall, facing a society that doesn't care enough to care for them, so they act out, and when they do, society pays the price in blood, be it their own or their own with many others, who are innocent victims and by standers.They may have or not have tried to reach out to someone only to find, that there are no resources for them to turn to before they "Act Out" We ignore them on the way to work, hold our nose as we pass the alley ways they (well most of them) use as bathrooms. and we ignore the need to intervene in a timely way to prevent people from harming themselves or others or both, because their lives have become Hell.
They do not have the capacity, to have picture IDs, birth certificates, monthly bank statements and so on, so they wander the streets aimlessly, self medicated on what ever they can find, to numb themselves, because of the reality, that they are the lost and forgotten, unwanted and abandoned. We CAN and Should retrofit the State Asylums (this means Jobs) to remove the danger of asbestos, make those Hospitals thrive again, so that people will no longer wander in the darkness, but instead, have hot meals, make sure if they need medication, that they have it, clean clothes, a safe and nurturing environment in which they are safe, they can thrive, be healthy and in as far as possible, be made to understand, that they are cared for.
I could list here the names and places, as well as victims, But I won't at least for now, because we should already be aware that if certain individuals had a crisis intervention, to prevent them from acting out, they would MAYBE have been no tragedies at Columbine, shootings at Virginia Tech, Jeffrey Dahmer, The rash of gay teen and teen suicides in general, may be greatly reduce, because we care enough to have been vigilant, to take note that this or that person may need help, because many of those people had been thought "odd" but no one care enough to call someone or even if they did, we at the current time did not have the resources to recognize, intervene and treat or put in treatment, those who were a danger to themselves and others.
There are probably more people with mental illness, in the criminal Justice system that do not belong there and are under served, because in this economy, Money and not those with mental illnesses are, can and should be treated with the care the need, with their human dignity intact.
I know because I am one of the lucky ones, although I find it almost impossible to keep up with all the red tape needed, for me to get the help I need, paper work that needs to be filed every year, inspections in my small section 8 flat downtown (LA) in a dangerous although it is improving area here.
I am treated with contempt by the staff, If I voice a concern or ask for help and asking their supervisors to assist in resolving issues. Whether as it is now, (they are trying to save money buy not having the heat turn on, even though they are aware that it is mandated by health and safety codes as is the fact that each tenet that lives in a residential hotel is entitled to their own locked mail boxes, and they will not comply with the code and laws, so I got attitude when I go down stairs and asked the day manager to please hand me my mail, (which used to be able to have like UPS, FED EX deliveries here, and now they won't even sign for them, and that also goes for our medications, So I have to have the pharmacy send them through the mail and hope I get them and even though they get toilet paper to give to us they still get the Toilet Paper, are not giving it, (I live in a residential Hotel, I have lived here for about 8 years)
I understand that life isn't a Utopia and that it is seldom fair, however I also believe that we can and should at least try to address and change the wrongs, and injustices, before they get out of hand. And what is sadder still, is that many of the tragedies of shootings, teenage suicides, Pedophiles, and rape as well as many other crimes, could or might be stemmed, if this age and generation, cared as much about mental illness, as have those who have in past generations. (Although I am aware of the gross misjustices that went on in said Hospitals, State run Asylums, actually I am more then just aware, I know because I was there, because up until the early 1970's Being a Homosexual was listed as a mental Illness, and sadly having been there, mistreated, misdiagnosed, beaten almost on a daily or nightly bases, made to take medicines that I did not need, and may have been given a shock treatment or two, I can not say for sure, because I was so scared of them they might had been a dream or nightmare, however, then again, it may have happened, after all, after pleading with the nurse to let me out and please put me in one of the seclusion cells, just so I could either enjoy the quiet of being alone and reading a book or just to have some quiet time to myself or maybe to avoid being beating up, by other patients or all of the above!) however after I pleaded with the Nurse and she refused, as she was busy eating her Kentucky Fried Chicken, stating that the only thing she could do was write a report if there was a problem or place a ID tag on my toe, if I was to be killed, she stated that they didn't pay her enough to get involved in our "on ward drama!".
So angered was I about her lack of concern, that I was beside myself, and in a moment of utter desperation and mental anguish that I did something, that was I guess going to be a "Hallmark" of who I am.
Although I was younger then most of the patients and therefore was prone to be bullied a lot as well as beaten because of my race and sexual orientation as I actually feared for my life,.......I found the strength to put into action a plan sure to get Ms Griffin's attention, away from her eating her chicken and me want I wanted, although, I must admit, I found it really hard to do something to let her know I was serious, because it was not like me, who was usually the "quiet", well compose as much as I could be in that place, and in clean clothes, as I washed them out daily to wear, because I hated the state hospital clothes, which I found out was soon, not to be a problem.
The furniture in the hospital was quite thick and heavy wood chairs at least on the patients wards in the day room, (I find in odd that someone actually has open a shop in this day and age, in the city of Santa Monica, which is pretty much the same designed, and they think it is something new and different) In any case, I confess, to have on separate occasions, that would be a total of 3, I picked up, and threw the heavy wooden chairs through the plate glass windows, which Ms Griffin Hit a alarm, and I was carried off the ward, striped of my clothes and underwear and in a cold grey unfurnished room, except for a thick about 3 inches mattress covered in heavy Vinyl I was thrown into that room, asked questions, received some sort of shot, and left there and the door slammed shut. I was quite sad, that I felt that I had to do anything that drastic and destructive, and yet still did it again on 2 other occasions, until My Doctor wrote a standing order, that if and when I requested to be placed in a "Seclusion Room", I was to be granted that "privilege", without my clothes being taken away and I was allowed to have books, and the door was to remain unlocked.
When I was there for the first 3 times, I was quite sad, the smell of urine was strong and the room was dirty, with old spit and stains on the walls with some writings that I could quite make out, there was some spatters of blood also on the floors walls, I was cold, numb with fear of uncertainty as to what was to become of me,.......In my nakedness I attempted to cover myself by folding over the mattress to cover my nakedness, as my face, felt the cold cement floor, I fell into a uneasy slumber, as I head them lining up in single file formation to go down to the cafeteria to eat, as they laugh and made faces at me through the small 3 x 2 thick glass window, I cared not, I was alone and although I was frightened of the consequences that my bold actions may bring me to, I was alone, at last, in the darkness of the cell, I prayed to God to please help me have faith and the courage to face a uncertain future.
My question is this,.......... would there be such aberrations like Jeffrey Dahmer, Robert Berdella, John Wayne Gacy, If society and church were more open to and supportive of GLBTQ peoples, where they would no longer be so ashamed and tormented both with in themselves and with out, as to be driven into madness because they have such self loathing, that they hate the world, themselves, society and even God?
We may never know, but I do believe the question has it's merits;
Case and Point:
Teen took pills, went 'mad' before killing roommate, according to 911 call
Link to the news


I have myself been victimized, by men who were confused, to such an extent they would beat, and attempted to kill me because I knew, even if they didn't or were unaware of it, that they were either gay, bisexual or confused, but that the fact they they perceived me as knowing was enough for them to bash me, for I was a mirror which did not lie, and into which they feared the most because What I knew was the deepest secrets of their souls and hearts, and they hated me for it. For it was a mirror of a secret they would kill to keep, because they themselves had hid it so deep, that they may not have been aware of it themselves on a conscious level.

I would however like to state for the record, that I have met men, who were 1) willing to explore 2) maybe really didn't care, because they were horny, and they were just using me as a thing, (which I hated) I have met some men who where are are very loving souls, who made no mistake about the fact that they cared for me, the problem was/is,....I am damaged goods. it is hard to accept yourself after a lifetime of pain, rejection, persecution, to feel the hate and loathing of others, because they believed then and many still do now, that being gay, is to be a Monster


Homosexual Serial Killers
Statistical analysis of the proportion of homosexuality among serial killers,
with a listing of prominent GLBT/homosexual serial killers

Below is a list of serial killers who were homosexuals. This list is intended for reference purposes only and does not imply a causal relationship between homosexuality and serial killing.
Although incidents of serial killing are widely reported in the media because of the heinous and unusual nature of these crimes, there are actually very few serial killers relative to the general population. Research into this phenomenon is ongoing, and a small industry has sprung up around the practice of "profiling" serial killers in order to assist in their apprehension. But, law enforcement officials agree that each serial killer is unique. Society does not currently have sufficient knowledge to predict serial killing before it occurs and thus prevent it from happening.

Serial killers and their victims include people from all races, cultures, nationalities, economic background, educational levels, genders, and sexual orientations. Because serial killers are so rare, it is impossible to use any demographic indicator as a predictor. There are no "rules" and all apparent trends have been broken. But some general observations can be made.

Serial killers are nearly always men (93%). Furthermore, of the relatively few female serial killers, one third of them worked in partnership with males.

In the United States, serial killers are predominantly white. This makes sense statistically, because about 80% of the population is white. According to some sources, whites are over-represented and African-Americans are under-represented among serial killers, but this depends on how one defines a "serial killer." The more celebrated, headline-grabbing serial killers are generally white, but if one counts all perpetrators of multiple homicides, including drug- and gang-related killings, then African-Americans account for between 20% to 30% of all multiple perpetrators, according to statistics compiled by the FBI. African-Americans comprise about 13% of the total U.S. population. Asians, who comprise probably under-represented among American serial-killers. Asian serial-killers are extremely rare in the United States, but Asians comprise only about 4% of the U.S. population so, statistically speaking, one would expect few Asian serial killers. There have been some high-profile Filipino serial killing and murder cases. Filipinos comprise a relatively newer and less affluent immigrant population relative to other major Asian groups in the United States.

Although the proportion of serial killers who are known to have had homosexual experience is high (over 43%), the total number of serial killers is too small to make statistically relevant statements about whether homosexuals are over- or under-represented among serial killers. [Click here for source, related studies and statistics.]

Also, it should be noted that many of the homosexual serial killers on this list were not active members of the Gay & Lesbian cultural community.

Many of the most famous serial killers (e.g., Jeffrey Dahmer, Andrew Cunanan, John Wayne Gacy, etc.) were homosexuals, but they became widely known due to the nature of their crimes or the identities of their victims, not because they in any way represent serial killers generally.

Given that less than 2% of adults are homosexuals (plus 1 to 2% who are bisexual), there would not need to be very many homosexuals among the total number of serial killers for them to be over-represented. But with such small overall numbers, and with no universally agreed upon definition of a homosexual, it would be impossible to determine the relative frequency of homosexuals among serial killers. Unlike gender and race (clearly ascertainable), there are no physical or genetic tests for sexual orientation. It can only be determined by behavior and self-identification.

Some serial killers engaged in sex with both males and females, which would prompt some people to classify them as bisexuals. Their actual identity would then be argued about by various biologists, gay writers, and others, who would classify their status as a variant of homosexuality, a distinct classification, or repressed homosexuals. Such hair-splitting is well beyond the scope of this paper. Suffice it say, all of the individuals listed here as "homosexual serial killers" can be classified as homosexual as the term is generally used.

Homosexual serial killers have most frequently chosen young boys or gay men as their victims, although some have victimized females as well. Most of the killers have raped their victims either before or after killing them, although in some cases they have killed after consensual homosexual sex. There have been heterosexual serial killers who have targeted gay victims (e.g., Colin Ireland), but this is very rare.

But more importantly, none of the serial killers listed here represent typical homosexuals, who, like the general population, are almost never involved in violent crime. The exact nature of each individual's feelings, attitudes, and behavior with regards to sex is unique, in the general population as well as among serial killers. Legally, all or nearly all of the homosexual serial killers on this list would be considered sexual deviants because of the extreme and violent nature of their acts -- not simply because of their homosexual orientation. It must be emphasized that violent sexual deviancy is exhibited by heterosexual serial killers as well.

No ethnic, religious or cultural group promotes this sort of violence. But in a free society, no culture is entirely free from violence, despite their best efforts. Kristi Degn eloquently wrote a letter to the editor in response to a writer who felt it was okay to single one culture out as perpetrators of violence:

In his letter "Man Is God Here" (Forum, Aug. 25, 2000), Dennis Kostecki wrote, "In my dating days here, I dated six women. All were from this culture. All were abused by their former husbands. Every one! It seems to me this culture promotes the degradation and abuse of their women for reasons only they know and understand."
Pinpointing the blame for abuse on any one "culture" is irresponsible and weak. Abuse is no respecter of culture or demographics. It is no respecter of gender, marital or relationship status.

Our statewide domestic violence hot-line number is 1-800-897-LINK. Perhaps Mr. Kostecki would be interested in knowing that calls received at this number are not from one "culture" only. Further, Mr. Kostecki's statement is narrow-minded in relation to a problem which is a national concern.

Gay/Homosexual Serial Killers
Name # of People
Killed Year Killer's Home Location of Murders Notes Birth death
Jeffrey Dahmer 17 1978, 1988-91 Milwaukee Milwaukee and Chicago homosexual cannibal. He was killed by another inmate while in prison. 21 May 1960 28 November 1994
Andrew Cunanan 5 1997 San Diego, Calif. Minnesota; Chicago, IL; South Beach, FL killed fashion designer Gianni Versace 31 August 1969 23 July 1997
Gilles de Rais 300+ 1430s France France associate of Joan of Arc
Luis Alfredo Garavito 140+ Colombia Colombia Gay serial killer who murdered over 140 boys in Columbia. 25 January 1957
Randy Steven Kraft 65 (est.) 1971 to 1983 Oregon, Michigan, etc. "Score Card Killer"
Michael Swango 35 - 60 1983-97 Ohio, Illinois, New York, South Dakota, Virginia "Doctor of Death" -- killed hospital patients
Andrei Chikatilo 52 until 1992 Russia Russia
Fritz Haarmann 40 (est.) until 1924 Germany Germany "Butcher Of Hanover"
John Wayne Gacy 33 until 1978 Chicago Chicago bisexual; 27 of his victims (young boys he seduced) were found buried in crawlspace under his house. Executed in Joliet, IL. 17 March 1942 10 May 1994
Patrick Wayne Kearney 28+ 1968 to 1977 Redondo Beach, Calif. gay cruising areas of Hollywood
David D. Hill 28? 1968 to 1977 Redondo Beach, Calif. Hollywood Patrick Kearney's lover; confessed to being co-killer with Kearney, but police weren't sure about the extent of his involvement
Hans Grans 27+ until 1924 Germany Germany accommplice and love of Haarmann, the "Butcher Of Hanover"
Wayne Williams 27 1979-81 Atlanta Atlanta Gay serial killer who preyed mostly on young black male hustlers. 27 May 1958
Dean Corll 27 1960s to 1973 Ft. Wayne, Indiana; later Houston, TX Houston, Texas
Elmer Wayne Henley 27 1960s to 1973 Ft. Wayne, Indiana; later Houston, TX Houston, Texas Bisexual. Victims were young boys who he kidnapped and tortured. 9 May 1956
David Owen Brooks 27 1960s to 1973 Ft. Wayne, Indiana; later Houston, TX Houston, Texas
Donald Harvey 25 - 40 (est.) 1970-71 London, Kentucky Kentucky
Juan Corona 25 1971 From Mexico; moved to Yuba City, CA in 1950s Yuba City, Calif. Born in Mexico. All of his victims were men that he first raped, and then killed with a machete over the span of six weeks. Presently resides in Corcoran State Prison. Juan Corona's brother is Natividad, the gay, owner of the Guadalajara cafe in Marysville, CA. 1934
Adolfo de Jesus Constanzo 21 (est.) until 1989 Matamoros, Mexico Matamoros, Mexico "Matamoros Cult Killer"
Larry Eyler 19 1980s Chicago Illinois and Indiana
Huang Yong 17+ 2001-2003 Henan Province, China Henan Province, China Gay. Executed. Murdered boys that he flirted with and picked up at internet cafes. Saved their belts as souvenirs. His 18th victim escaped, leading to his arrest. 1974 26 December 2003
Dennis Nilsen 16 1978-83 U.K. U.K.
Marcelo Costa de Andrade 14 until 1991 Rio de Janeiro, Brazil Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
William Bonin 12+ 1979-80 Orange County, Calif. Orange County, Calif.
Henry Lee Lucas 12+ 1970s and 80s Most in Texas, Southeastern U.S. 23 August 1936 12 March 2001
Ottis Toole 12+ 1970s and 80s West Coast, Florida, etc. accomplice of Henry Lee Lucas
Vaughn Greenwood 11+ 1974-75 Los Angeles Los Angeles
Richard Speck 8+ 1966 Chicago Chicago married, bisexual
Cayetano Hernandez 8 1963 Yerba Buena, Mexico Mexico
Eleazor Solis 8 1963 Monterey, Mexico Mexico
David Bullock 6+ 1981-82 New York City New York
Vernon Butts 6+ 1979-80 Calif. Orange County, Calif. accomplice of William Bonin
Paul Bateson 6 ? (est.) 1977-78 New York City New York City
Marc Dutroux 6 1995-1996 Belgium Belgium Bisexual. He is unusual among gay serial killers, in that his victims were all girls, who he kidnapped and tortured before killing. One of most notorious serial killers in Belgium's history. 6 November 1956
Michael Terry 6 1980-86 Atlanta Georgia, Ohio, South Carolina
Orville Lynn Majors 6 Indiana Vermillion County Hospital, Indiana
Charles Cohen 5+ Delaware Delaware, San Francisco, New York, Miami, and New Orleans
Arthur Gary Bishop 5 1984 Utah Utah Utah serial killer of young boys. Years before his murder spree, in 1978, he had been excommunicated from the LDS Church. Bishop was an active homosexual and was no longer a member of the LDS Church when he became a serial killer. Executed in Utah State Prison. He said of his crimes, "With great sadness and remorse, I realize that I allowed myself to be misled by Satan. Pornography was not the only negative influence in my life, but its effect on me was devastating. I am a homosexual pedophile convicted of murder, and pornography was a determining factor in my downfall." 1951 10 June 1988
Michael Lupo 4+ 1986 from Italy London
Peter Moore 4 1995 north Wales north Wales
Westley Allan Dodd 3+ Washingon Washington, Oregon
David P. Brown
(a.k.a. Nathaniel Bar-Jonah) 3+ 2000 Massachusetts Montana David Paul Brown. Victims were all young boys. 15 February 1957
Charles Manson 3+ 1968-72 Los Angeles Los Angeles Bisexual. One of nation's most famous serial killers. Murdered actress Sharon Tate, the wife of film director Roman Polanski. Deeply interested in the occult. 12 November 1934
David Edward Maust 5+ 1981; 2003 Germany; Galveston, TX (1981); Hammond, IL (2003) Gay. Killed teenage boys, usually by stabbing 5 April 1954
Bruce Davis 2+ 1968-72 Los Angeles Los Angeles Charles Manson accomplice
Erik Menendez 2 20 August 1989 Beverly Hills, CA Beverly Hills, CA with his straight brother Lyle, Erik killed his parents (Jose Menendez and Kitty Menendez). Their trial was a major national news story. 27 November 1971

Although homosexual murderers of single victims are too numerous to list here, a number of particularly famous ones include: Nathan Leopold and Richard Loeb (the wealthy and academically bright gay Chicago couple who murdered a boy in 1924 just for fun; their story became one of the nation's most famous murder cases, and was the basis for many movies, including Hitchcock's film "Rope"); Armin Meiwes (the sexually deviant German cannibal known as "Der Metzgermeister" - The Master Butcher, who met a victim over the Internet who he ate and killed); John E. du Pont (the gay member of the wealthy du Pont famil who shot Olympic wrestler David Schultz to death); Gary Hirte (Waupaca, WI high school senior who admitted to killing 37-year-old substitute teacher Glenn Kopitske); Karla Homolka (Canadian lesbian who murdered her own sister). Other notable gay violent criminals include Kenneth Parnell (paid $500 to "purchase" a young black boy named Steven Stayner, who he then raped and kidnapped); John Wojtowicz (whose bank robbery inspired the movie Dog Day Afternoon).

Serial Killers who were Lesbians
Name # of People
Killed Year Killer's Home Location of Murders Notes
Magdalena Solis 8 1963 Monterey, Mexico Mexico
Aileen Wuornos 7+ 1989-90 south of Daytona, Florida Florida killed male "johns"
Tyria Moore 7+ 1989-90 south of Daytona, Florida Florida killed male "johns"
Catherine Wood 6 Grand Rapids, MI Grand Rapids, MI nurse who killed patients
Gwen Graham 6 Grand Rapids, MI Grand Rapids, MI nurse who killed patients

Homosexual Serial Murder Investigation, by Vernon J. Geberth, M.S., M.P.S.

Gay and Lesbian Murderers from 1920s to Present - by Lori Weiner

The aetiology of serial murder: towards an integrated model, by Edward W. Mitchell, B.A. Hons, M.Phil. (University of Cambridge, UK). Includes section on "Gender identity disorder, homosexuality, and sexual dysfunction"

The process of criminal profiling as it pertains to serial killers, by Susan Jones, Youngstown State University

Violence and Homosexuality - by Dr. Paul Cameron

Homosexuality: A Paradox of Evolution


GBLT commentary: Why does gay America approve of a fact-based based homosexual serial killer movie such as "Monster" but disapprove of fictional homosexual serial killers?
By: Mark Adnum
Date: 28 April 2004
Headline: "Scary Monsters"
Source: spiked-online

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