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I think that it is quite important that we understand or at least try to understand some of the things that are happening in our world so that we can look with open eyes, hearts and minds, not into the face of who or what we may believe is or are our foe, but people just like us, People of Faith although different, they are not our enemies, fear, misperception, prejudgment and hate how ever are.

Therefore I ask you to please read and try to understand, that you do not have to be a person of faith, what ever that faith may or might be, but understand and know this, that as we ask others who are prejudiced against us, hate us, fear us, lie about us and are caught up in the national debate over whether or not we deserve equal treatment under the law and the same rights with the dignity and respect, as Americans, and as God's Children, as does everyone else who does not use the veil of organized religion as a premise to exercise terror against everyone, even members of their own faith.

We know that hypocrisy breeds contempt and disrespect.
So I ask you to bare with me with patience and please open your hearts, and lead your voices to the chorus of interfaith and ecumenical support and reach out if you feel you can to Please join me in this face book group; Americans Against Islamophobia. If you can't because of some inner conflict I'll understand.

Thank you for your time and patience, support and love.

This person, not I wrote the following article; Dalia Mogahed

Dalia Mogahed: U.S. Must Understand the Constructive Role of Faith in Egypt’s Democratic Aspirations
Huffington Post
5 February 2011
Huffington Post

During my visit to Cairo last month, I witnessed an incident that today seems almost prophetic. At one of Cairo’s posh coffee shops, I saw a customer screaming at the young man serving him, claiming that the waiter had shown him disrespect. The young worker responded firmly, “I did nothing wrong. You yelled at me.” “Do you know who I am?” the customer slammed back. He then went on to demand that the café manager reprimand the worker publicly, by, in the customers’ words, “dragging the dog’s honor in the dirt.”

Anyone familiar with Cairo has seen this scenario too many times: a member of the “protected” upper class elite abuses a member of the working class for a trivial perceived offense. What came next however was new. Instead of cowering into an apology, the young worker looked his accuser in the eye and said, “You’re not God. I’m not your subordinate. I’m a person just like you.”

Many Western analysts and media outlets are attempting to force categorize Egypt’s uprising as either a secular demand for democracy (which we should therefore support) or a religious revolution (which we should fear and try to stop). Neither depiction captures the complexity or the opportunity of this historical moment in Egypt. To truly partner with the Egyptian people, as President Obama recently promised, U.S. policymakers must first develop a far more sophisticated understanding of Egyptian aspirations.

Ordinary Egyptians’ growing sense of self worth fuels the current popular anti-government uprising, not any political ideology or charismatic leader. It is a belief that citizens should no longer have to endure the daily humiliation of economic and political stagnation. The protesters represent a wide cross section of Egyptian society who demand justice, as they call for Muslim-Christian solidarity. They wave Egyptian flags, not specific opposition party banners or sectarian symbols.

At the same time, Egyptians’ rising religiosity may very well play a role in this development, just as faith often animated our own civil rights struggle. If Tunisia’s success story was the match that ignited Egypt’s popular uprising, decreased tolerance for injustice — in some cases born out of a religious awakening — provided the fuel. Gallup found that Egyptians were the most likely in the region to say moving toward greater democracy would help Muslims progress, and the most likely to agree that attachment to spiritual and moral values would similarly lead to a brighter future. This duality stands strong in the country with the highest percentage of people in the world affirming that religion is an important part of their daily lives. Surveys show that Egyptians prefer democracy over all other forms of government. They also say that religion plays a positive role in politics.

The majority of Egyptians want democracy and see no contradiction between the change they seek and the timeless values to which they surrender. More than 90 percent of Egyptians say they would guarantee freedom of the press if it were up to them to write a constitution for a new country. Moreover, most Egyptians say they favor nothing more than an advisory role for religious leaders in the crafting of legislation. Egyptians choose democracy informed by sacred values, not theocracy with a democratic veneer.

U.S. policy makers would do well to embrace this nuance, which to us as Americans should sound familiar. From abolitionists to the civil rights movement, American leaders have drawn inspiration from their faith in their pursuit of justice. Today, some of the loudest voices in the United States calling for environmental preservation, an end to torture or global poverty eradication are faith leaders. I witnessed this first hand when serving on the White House Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships advisory council. Religious and secular leaders and scholars from different backgrounds sat at one table to find solutions to our country’s toughest challenges, each drawing on their individual ethical tradition for the common good.

Our country’s unique history and passion for social justice makes us natural partners to the Egyptian people in their struggle for a better future. Moreover, there is hunger on both sides for greater cooperation. Gallup surveys found that the majority of both Americans and Egyptians say greater interaction between Muslims and the West is a benefit not a threat, despite Egyptian disapproval of U.S. policies in their region.

The continuing popular protests in the most influential and populated Arab country may represent the future of the Middle East. U.S. policy makers cannot afford to alienate this movement by failing to understand its intricacies. Faith is a part of Egypt, but most Egyptians do not support the rule of clerics. They seek the rule of law.

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The best thing for us to do right now is to pray for the people of Egypt that they receive the kind of government God wants for them. If all Christendom prays "Thy will be done", and the whole Muslim Ummah prays "Insh'Allah", then Egypt WILL get the government which is best for them. Amen!


AMEN to that.... just be aware that, unfortunately, MAN seems to be dictating God's will, if you know what I mean.


I do not approve, of anyone one thinking that they are "better" or have to right to tell another that their religion is wrong, and that they are going to hell, simply because that they are not a Christian! Do not Muslim bash! or bash anyone!
Let us not treat others with the same contempt that we have been treated with!
And get your finger out of my face! Just who in God's name do you think you are?! To be a Christian is to love everyone, as God does, unconditionally.
I do not love some one more because they are the same sexual orientation as me, or because they believe the same article of faith, that I believe.
Nor do I believe it is my role to judge anyone, I believe this so deeply, that I was excuse from Jury duty, because I am aware that the American justice system is flawed and is stacked more against minorities then Whites.
They have found out now because of DNA testing that a number of people who were falsely accused were put to death, and are in jail and released because the person made a mistake in accusing them.
From 60 Minutes, Please see here;
Eyewitness, Part 1 - 60 Minutes - CBS News

60 Minutes on CBS News: Eyewitness, Part 1 - Lesley Stahl reports on flaws in eyewitness testimony that are at the heart of the DNA exonerations of falsely convicted people like Ronald Cotton, who was falsely accused of rape.


Eyewitness, Part 2 - 60 Minutes - CBS News


Eyewitness, Part 2 - 60 Minutes - CBS News
60 Minutes on CBS News: Eyewitness, Part 2 - So how accurate is eyewitness testimony? As Lesley Stahl found out firsthand, memory is malleable and can easily be influenced and corrupted.

Pray for them Yes, but Trust God in all things and at all times, and not in a condescending way either. I do not see nor perceive that Our Father Loves me any more because I am a Christian, and that any one is of a different faith, with one exception, when people justify their hate, bigotry and prejudice through that faith.

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1 Corinthians 13 (New International Version, ©2010)

1 Corinthians 13
1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.









Be at peace





God bless you and keep you and for you to be at peace


I was not in anyway bashing Islam. Just like Christianity, there are a few who give the whole a bad name.

I do not believe there is one religion. I do not believe one is more superior to another. The Bible talks of a time when there will be one God for all. That is a time when Buddhists, Hindus, Christians and whatever religion is out there will combine under the guise of one God.

Whenever I heard the word "Fundamentalist" I run and hide, because I know there is no room at the inn for me. I respect the facets, and beliefs of all peoples. As I stated, the difficulty is that man is interrupting the work of Mohammad, Christ and others. Man is guaranteeing the virgins when an infidel is killed. I have three friends who mare Muslim. They all three disagree with the removal of the infidels as being the law.

What is amazing to me, is we worship the same God, yet one is a God of peace and love, the other ... bombs, murder, etc. Not that Christianity's hands are clean of blood. There have been millions killed in the name of the merciful God. Again, man has put God on their side.

I have a feeling Heaven is empty. As you state so many feel, if you do not belong to "MY RELIGION" you are going to hell. With so many believing this, Heaven must be empty and Hell is overflowing.


Actually, Patrick, I think there will be a few surprises when God finally shows us the truth about Heaven, Hell & Eternity, and who is "going where". For one thing, if you read the relevant chapters in the bible fully, it's MUCH more complicated than just Heaven and Hell! I hesitate to take verses out of context, and I pray that no-one just accepts these quotes without doing their own research, but... "My Father's house has many mansions", "There will be a new Heaven and a new Earth", and, of course, from the Qu'ran and the major Hadith, we have several writings concerning the "Seven Heavens".

As a simplistic view, I think the writer of one of the episodes of "The Twilight Zone" was possibly quite close to the mark. An old couple were eternally showing their holiday slides to a group of friends, and they were clearly "in Heaven", but given that this was "eternity", the other people in the room were just as clearly "in Hell". This is where the next complexity arises. Heaven for one person can, quite obviously, be Hell for another. Personally I love music, and hate soccer. My "Heaven" would be filled with beautiful music, but be devoid of all soccer references. On the other hand, some of my best friends, without whom my "Heaven" could not exist, would find a place without soccer to be their personal "Hell"! My poor little human mind can't see a way around that one!

I reccomend you don't think about this too hard. It's one of those paradoxes which can cause mental illness! ;-)

All I can say, is "Thank God that God's brain is bigger than ours"! :-D


I do agree Ian, there will be a lot of surprised people when all is revealed. Once He/She takes over and all is well in Heaven and on Earth.

My mother always said we make our Heaven or Hell, here on earth. Sometimes I think she was right.

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