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This is only a thought....but has any others ever considers that "hell is here and now"......and we can look forward to heaven. I am not saying I am totally sold on this idea.....but at times it does seem like hell on earth.


Posted

I understand what you are saying but I asked you to consider this, those who make it "Hell on Earth", Hitler, Gaddafi, I will call them extremists, because I do not believe that they being extreme, has little to do with being either side of the coin fundamentalists in any way. Our Lord had the same problem back in his time, but they were know as Zealots= Zeal full of self rightness's lots, they knew the word but not the spirit, there of.
If you think that there is Hell here on earth, so then must be Heaven, and there is no after life, no "Communion of Saints"
We just turn to dust, because we have no souls.
And You would then have to (I think) think that Jesus was a liar!



There are Christians Zealots today:

Consider these so called Christians:

Youtube link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEGLFJ-Nqq4

Are they Christians? Zealots? fundamentalists?

ZealotryFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Zealots)
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"Zealot" redirects here. For other uses, see Zealot (disambiguation).
Zealotry was originally a political movement in 1st century Second Temple Judaism which sought to incite the people of Iudaea Province to rebel against the Roman Empire and expel it from the Holy land by force of arms, most notably during the Great Jewish Revolt (66-70). Zealotry was described by Josephus as one of the "four sects" at this time. The zealots have been described as one of the first examples of the use of terrorism.[1]

The term Zealot, in Hebrew kanai (קנאי, frequently used in plural form, קנאים (kana'im)), means one who is zealous on behalf of God. The term derives from Greek ζηλωτής (zelotes), "emulator, zealous admirer or follower".[2][3]

Contents [hide]
1 History
1.1 Talmud
1.2 Masada
1.3 Sicarii
2 Zealots in the New Testament
2.1 Paul the Apostle
3 See also
4 Notes
5 External links


[edit] HistoryJosephus' Jewish Antiquities[4] states that there were three main Jewish sects at this time, the Pharisees, the Sadducees, and the Essenes. The Zealots were a "fourth sect", founded by Judas of Galilee (also called Judas of Gamala) and Zadok the Pharisee in the year 6 against Quirinius' tax reform, shortly after the Roman Empire declared what had most recently been the territory of Herod Archelaus, to be a Roman Province, and that they "agree in all other things with the Pharisaic notions; but they have an inviolable attachment to liberty, and say that God is to be their only Ruler and Lord." (18.1.6)

According to the Jewish Encyclopedia article on Zealots[5]:

“ Following Josephus ("B. J." ii. 8, § 1; "Ant." xviii. 1, §§ 1, 6), most writers consider that the Zealots were a so-called fourth party founded by Judas the Galilean (see Grätz, "Gesch." iii. 252, 259; Schürer, "Gesch." 1st ed., i. 3, 486). This view is contradicted, however, by the fact that Hezekiah, the father of Judas the Galilean, had an organized band of so-called "robbers" which made war against the Idumean Herod ("B. J." i. 10, § 5; "Ant." xiv. 9, § 2), and also during the reign of Herod, if not long before by the fact that the system of religious and political murders practised by the Zealots was in existence during the reign of Herod, if not long before. ”

The opposite has also been argued: that the group was not so clearly marked out (before the first war of 66-70/3) as some have thought.[6]

The Crisis under Caligula (37-41) has been proposed as the "first open break between Rome and the Jews", even though problems were already evident during the Census of Quirinius in 6 and under Sejanus (before 31).[7] See also Anti-Judaism in the pre-Christian Roman Empire.

Two of Judas' sons, Jacob and Simon, were involved in a revolt and were executed by Tiberius Alexander, the procurator of Iudaea province from 46 to 48.[8]

When Rome introduced the imperial cult, the Jews unsuccessfully rebelled in the Great Jewish Revolt. The Zealots continued to oppose the Romans.

The Zealots had the leading role in the Jewish Revolt of 66. They succeeded in taking over Jerusalem, and held it until 70, when the son of Roman Emperor Vespasian, Titus, retook the city and destroyed Herod's Temple during the destruction of Jerusalem.

The Zealots objected to Roman rule and violently sought to eradicate it by generally targeting Romans and Greeks. Zealots engaged in violence against other Jews were called the Sicarii.[9] They raided Jewish habitations and killed Jews they considered apostate and collaborators, while also urging Jews to fight Romans and other Jews for the cause. Josephus paints a very bleak picture of their activities as they instituted what he characterized as a murderous "reign of terror" prior to the Jewish Temple's destruction.

According to Josephus, the Zealots followed John of Gischala, who had fought the Romans in Galilee, escaped, came to Jerusalem, and then inspired the locals to a fanatical position that led to the Temple's destruction.

[edit] TalmudIn the Talmud, the Zealots are also called the Biryonim (בריונים) meaning "boorish", "wild", or "ruffians", and are condemned for their aggression, their unwillingness to compromise to save the survivors of besieged Jerusalem, and their blind militarism. They are further blamed for having contributed to the demise of Jerusalem and the second Jewish Temple, and of ensuring Rome's retributions and stranglehold on Judea. According to the Babylonian Talmud, Gittin:56b, the Biryonim destroyed decades' worth of food and firewood in besieged Jerusalem to force the Jews to fight the Romans out of desperation. This event directly led to the escape of Yochanan ben Zakkai out of Jerusalem, who met Vespasian which led to the foundation of the Academy of Yavneh which produced the Mishnah.

The Zealots advocated violence against the Romans, their Jewish collaborators, and the Sadducees, by raiding for provisions and other activities to aid their cause.

[edit] MasadaMain article: Masada
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[citation needed]After the destruction of Jerusalem and the Second Temple in AD 70, 960 Zealots under the lead of Elazar ben Yair took refuge by capturing the Roman fortress of Masada and taking no prisoners. Rome sent the Tenth Legion to retake the stronghold, but it failed for three years. It is estimated that they took over 1,000 casualties in the process. The Zealots held the fortress even after the Romans invented new types of siege engines. Finally, in the third year of the siege, 73, The Romans completed a massive earthwork siege ramp up one face of the mountain on which Masada sat. This allowed them to bring the full strength of their siege to bear and penetrate the walls, a feat impossible before due to the topography of the mountain itself. When the Romans stormed in to capture the Zealots, they found that the fighters and their families had all committed suicide.

Today, members of some units of the Israel Defense Forces, climb Masada and declare "Masada Shall Not Fall Again", in Hebrew, at their graduation from basic training.

[edit] SicariiOne particularly extreme group of Zealots was also known in Latin as sicarii, meaning "violent men" or "dagger men"(sing. sicarius, possibly a morphological reanalysis), because of their policy of killing Jews opposed to their call for war against Rome. Probably many Zealots were sicarii simultaneously, and they may be the biryonim of the Talmud that were feared even by the Jewish sages of the Mishnah.

According to historian H.H. Ben-Sasson, the Sicarii, originally based in Galilee, "were fighting for a social revolution, while the Jerusalem Zealots placed less stress on the social aspect" and the Sicarii "never attached themselves to one particular family and never proclaimed any of their leaders king". Both groups objected to the way the priestly families were running the Temple.[8]

The term sicariii also referred to a class of gladiators who fought with a long, curved knife.

[edit] Zealots in the New TestamentA Simon who is referred to as "the Zealot" is found among the disciples of Jesus,[10] see Simon the Zealot. It is unknown if this is also the same Simon the Zealot mentioned by Josephus (as in Eleazar ben Simon the Zealot, Eleazar's father), though the two Simons would be contemporaries.

[edit] Paul the ApostleSee also: Paul of Tarsus and Judaism
Taking the Greek word zelotes in Acts 22:3 and Galatians 1:14 of the New Testament to mean a 'Zealot' with capital Z (the earliest Greek manuscripts are uncials or all capital letters), an article[11] by Mark R. Fairchild suggests that Paul the Apostle may have been a Zealot, which might have been the driving force behind his persecution of the Christians (see stoning of Saint Stephen) before his conversion to Christianity, and his incident at Antioch even after his conversion.

While most English translations of the Bible render this Greek word as the adjective "zealous", the word is a noun meaning 'adherent, loyalist, enthusiast; patriot, zealot'. A 'Zealot' with capital Z, however, would suggest a member of the particular Zealots, the group that emerged in Jerusalem ca. AD 6 according to Josephus, see above. In the two cited verses Paul literally declares himself as one who is loyal to God, or an ardent observer of the Law, but see also Antinomianism in the NT. This does not necessarily prove Paul was revealing himself as a Zealot. A translation (the Modern King James Version of Jay P. Green) renders it as 'a zealous one'. Two modern translations (Jewish New Testament and Alternate Literal Translation) render it as 'a zealot'. The Unvarnished New Testament (1991) renders Galatians 1:14 as "...being an absolute zealot for the traditions...". These translations may not be inaccurate, but it is disputed by those who claim it gives the wrong association with the "Zealots".








PhariseesFrom Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
For the followers of the Vilna Gaon, see Perushim.
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Jews and Judaism
The Pharisees (lat. pharisæ|us, -i; from heb. פרושים perushim/פרוש parush, meaning "set apart"[1]) were at various times a political party, a social movement, and a school of thought among Jews during the Second Temple period under the Hasmonean dynasty (140–37 BCE) in the wake of the Maccabean Revolt.
Conflicts between the Pharisees and the Sadducees took place in the context of much broader and longstanding social and religious conflicts among Jews dating back to the Babylonian captivity and exacerbated by the Roman conquest. One conflict was class, between the wealthy and the poor, as the Sadducees included mainly the priestly and aristocratic families.[2][3] Another conflict was cultural, between those who favored hellenization and those who resisted it. A third was juridico-religious, between those who emphasized the importance of the Temple, and those who emphasized the importance of other Mosaic laws and prophetic values. A fourth, specifically religious, involved different interpretations of the Bible (or Tanakh), and how to apply the Torah to Jewish life, with the Sadducees recognizing only the written letter of the Tanakh or Torah and rejecting life after death, while the Pharisees held to Rabbinic interpretations additional to the written texts. Josephus indicates that the Pharisees received the backing and goodwill of the common people, apparently in contrast to the more elite Sadducees. Pharisees claimed prophetic or Mosaic authority for their interpretation[4] of Jewish laws, while the Sadducees represented the authority of the priestly privileges and prerogatives established since the days of Solomon, when Zadok, their ancestor, officiated as High Priest.
After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE Pharisaic beliefs became the basis for Rabbinic Judaism, which ultimately produced the normative traditional Judaism which is the basis for all contemporary forms of Judaism except for Karaism.
Outside of Jewish history and writings, the Pharisees have been made notable by references in the New Testament to conflicts between themselves and John the Baptist[5] and with Jesus. There are also several references in the New Testament to Paul of Tarsus being a Pharisee before he became a Christian.[6] Christian traditions have been a cause of widespread awareness of the Pharisees.
Matthew 5:3-12 (New International Version, ©2011)
3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will called Sons of God"

Do not let your heart, souls be troubled, be at peace, do what you can to be a light unto the nations.

You are loved, God isn't "Dead" and nether are we.

Believe, love and have faith.

YOU PLEASE SEE THIS YOUTUBE LINK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnNxP2k4Nn4

Anothony Of Portsmouth your brother in Christ. I hope this helps you.

Louis_Parker
Posted

I'm with you, and if this isn't hell and there is something to come, what a hell of a preview this was and hell will be 1000% wrose


Joie_Parris
Posted

My personal view is that its about our approach to life. I had hell on earth going through an abusive childhood and the impact that that has in turn on young adulthood. It was most definitely hell. But learning to forgive, to love, to accept myself, appreciate myself and to love everyone that I come into contact with whoever they may be brought me into a new place. Maybe this is heaven. I don't know. I still face difficulties in life - my body refuses to work the way it is supposed to - but I simply don't LET that get me down. My glass is half full, when I'm at my lowest its half full, the rest of the time its full to the brim. The concept of heaven on earth is to me about love, acceptance and optimism. And living life to the full - Jesus came to give us life that we might live it. In so far as my broken body will allow me to, I do. Mostly by allowing my creativity freedom of expression. If heaven is a place we go to where we get to do all the things we love and be with the people we love, then the only thing I'd like different from what I have now is to leave this stupid body behind.

There's no theology in any of that by the way, I'm well aware that some of it is very much counter to theological thinking, but it's my personal feelings on the matter.


Posted

Excellent points made


Louis_Parker
Posted

you put the top out there but no real answer so i going to ask you the same question what do you think


Posted

Well, this is really a hard question.....and I assume will be different for each person. But to simply answer the question......I really don't know. I don't mean this as a cop out, I was just wondering how others looked at life. I, myself have a pretty good life....therefore, heaven would have to be really an awesome place... But look at all that. Is going on in the world.....especially recently with Japan....there we see a true living hell.
However, if one believes in Scripture.....there is NOT one mention of our current life as "hell"....and as a beliver of the Scriptures, I myself would have to say there is a heaven and hell.......and life as we know it is our chance to find the good, help the needy and be the person God intended for us to be.

The reason I even put the question out there to begin with is that I have heard some believe this way.....life is life and no afterlife....so I was wondering how others felt about it.


Posted

I believe in Heaven and Hell, this place on Earth, our lives can be Heven or Hell, again, look at Japan and the hell they are going through, but we can learn from the Japanese, how they are working to help each other and want to rebuild their country, Heaven is a place I will see all of my loved ones again, even the furry ones!!!


Posted

we can learn a lot from what is going on in Japan. even after all this is over their country will be a little stronger. they stood together before all this and now they are really united. something we could really learn. they way they repect the elderly and everything. i watch and you really see them pulling together



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